BaZi Diary has just notify me that his faithful fan from Romania has indeed, make an invitation to him to visit Romania and I must say it was a wonderful irresistible gesture. Although he does not agree with the view that his day master was weak, I might as well put it up for a fruitful discussion. You never know, I might be wrong as well. Gui self born in the season of water with water protruding, which is to say he is born in season. One academy in town will conclude that this is a strong chart. Located between fire and wood (transformed by the combination of Ren and Ding), controls fire and support wood, weakened water. Not supported by the branches as well. So, the only conclusion is this is a WEAK chart. Imagery speaking, what is the most important thing for a mist in sheer winter season that may even insult the Sun when it is sheltered partially by the rising mountain and belittle the flickered candle or perhaps the leafless wood that is hibernating? It looks liked a STRONG chart. In summary, what is your calling?
Post Script: Strictly by one school of thought, the solid water pillar will NOT ALLOW Ren and Ding to transform into wood although it is supported by the month These tendency to combine without transformation is significant as to what we would like to seek from the palaces involved.
Post Script: Strictly by one school of thought, the solid water pillar will NOT ALLOW Ren and Ding to transform into wood although it is supported by the month These tendency to combine without transformation is significant as to what we would like to seek from the palaces involved.
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Hi David,
I read it as a Strong Day Master. As the Month Pillar is 比劫干支同气(self element penetrate through heaven stem), thus it only require one more "word" that can strengthen self in order to result it as a Strong Day Master.
In this case it is the Chen at hour pillar. Because the Chen has been transformed into water through Zi Chen San He half combine (Trigger by Ren).
Maybe can cross check with his money luck.
That was interesting, look at it this way, Ren Ding combine and transformed into wood. Does Ren still exist as ren or a new manifestation? Would the transformation take place given that the season allowed to transform?
We knew that Shen Zi Chen arrived, the entire water frame is form. The Shen is missing, is there a silent push?
Because we cannot have a chart that is weak for a certain time and strong for a certain time, as being inconsistent, how would you grade this chart?
This chart is a male, a boxer. I don't know if there is a female boxer in Romania. However, according to his he is extremely rich that is why he is affording Chris an all expanse paid trip to Romania, how lucky ;-)
wow. From my current understanding, Ren and Ding only combine but can't transform because there is no wood qi at the month branch. Thus Ren is still being identified as a Ren.
Zi Chen can transform into water even it is not side by side.Because it is a half san he. Since it is trigger by ren, thus the half san he transformed water properties is Yang-Jie Cai.
In Luo Liang book, half san he only can transform when the pure qi is present at the chart. In this chart, Zi and Chen can transform because Ren at heaven stem trigger the transformation. If this Zi is absent, and replace by a SHen, then this Half San He is not transformed.
To confirm whether is strong or weak can cross check with money luck. If it is a weak DM, he will have money luck during Bi Jie luck.
at heaven stem, there have a Jie Cai, Pian Cai, Zheng Cai. If it is a weak DM, Jie cai is favorable.which also can shown it is very rich because it is rooted below the month branch(although it is gui as the rooted qi).
If it is a Strong DM, then fire is the favorable god, which is the wealth qi, and it is penetrating at heaven stem. Ding is birth by Mao, and Bing is rooted at Si. thus also can consider as very rich as well. Have to cross check with LP regarding to money luck to decide the strength of DM.
This year is Ji Chou Year. The Zi at the month branch is combine and transformed into earth. If he is undergoing Wood earthly branch LP, then this branch will trigger Ren Ding into wood. If he is a weak DM, he will have serious lost wealth. need 2 earthly branch and a heaven stem to make this guy lost money if he is a weak Day Master.
If he is strong Day Master, then he can also lost wealth, e.g
during Xin Hai/Xin Mao and a Bing Shen . This is because in Strong DM, present of Bi Jie indicate lost wealth. This efect will be more significant when the wealth element turn to bi jie. In this case, the Xin will combine the hour pillar Bing and transform into water because Zi is supporting. Then the Mao from LP/AP will trigger the Ding and Ren to wood, and indicate lost wealth as the Ding is transformed away. Then when the remaining Si is combine with Shen and transform into water, the fire element will be very weak in the chart, and water will be very strong, if he is a strong DM, he will lost wealth during this chart formation.
maybe can check it this way.
Shi Xiang,
Then again, in winter what is the most vibrant Qi? Then, if water is vibrant, what makes wood prosper?
What does it mean by Shen Zi Chen? Birth at Shen, prosper at Zi and grave at Chen. What happend if these formation does not complete? Will it still be called three harmony? What does these three harmony indicates as stars or as seasons? What is the different between Shen Zi Chen and Hai Zi Chou, formations?
A body if strong can carry the gold, a body is weak will be collapsed by the gold. What happened if the body is weak and seek assistant to carry the gold?
The strenght cannot just be determined by the luck pillar, otherwise it will be liked playing football with shifting goal post. Do you think the same?
Hi David,
Quote: Then again, in winter what is the most vibrant Qi? Then, if water is vibrant, what makes wood prosper?
While, in this case of course is the water make the wood prosper. But if really wanted to include the nature of season to determined the transformation seems there is some contradiction.
Example 辛(xin)丙(Bing) in the season of 丑(chou) (Winter) , if water qi is very strong in the winter, then 辛(xin)丙(Bing) suppose turn water. But there is a theory to contradict this transformation, as the earthly branch 丑(chou) is an earth, and countering this transformation. Thus, 辛(Xin)丙(Bing) only can combine but can't transform into water although it is in the season of winter(even thou there is a residue qi water inside). I believe the same goes to 辛(Xin)丙(Bing) in the season of 戌(Xu), Autumn. As the season is supporting, but the earthly branch is not.
"Back to this quote" , if the branch is 亥(Hai), then i do 'accept' that 壬(Ren)丁(Ding) can transform into wood, as there is a residue wood qi 甲(Jia) in 亥(Hai), and wood is Chang Shen in Hai as well. Maybe this is the reason QTBD stated wood still can grow in the beginning of winter, but the vitality is obstruct during the later season of winter.
Quote: What happend if these formation does not complete? Will it still be called three harmony? What does these three harmony indicates as stars or as seasons?
I seriously have no idea about this
Quote: What is the different between Shen Zi Chen and Hai Zi Chou, formations?
Shen Zi Chen (申子辰) is San He(三合), Hai Zi Chou(亥子丑) is San Hui(三会). In term of strength San hui >San He> Half San He > Liu He
(三会>三合>半三合>六合)
In term of priority ,
San Hui is considered first, followed by San He, then Half San He, and lastly Liu He.
三会>三合>半三合>六合
Maybe* , San Hui can result additional season to occur in the chart(heard before)
Quote from (Qu wei): 地支相合相会
地支相合相会分三会、三合、半三合、六合几种情况。合化力对比：三会>三合>半三合>六合，这是在紧贴有力时，力量对比序，当三合、三会、六合同时出现首论三会，再论三合，其次论半三合，最后是六合
Quote: The strenght cannot just be determined by the luck pillar, otherwise it will be liked playing football with shifting goal post. Do you think the same?
Yes I do agree strength cannot determined by LP, as it have to be determined within the chart itself. Then only the key to tell a stuff based on the luck can be discover.
If this chart is a Strong DM, then during fire luck he will have money. If this chart is a weak DM, then during fire luck he will lost money.
Strong Self have enough power to control his wealth. If he have better financial during fire luck year, that means he able to control this wealth. Which also mean he is a strong self.
Quote: A body if strong can carry the gold, a body is weak will be collapsed by the gold. What happened if the body is weak and seek assistant to carry the gold?
This sentence is too deep, i can't understand what are you trying to mean :D .
Maybe* , when he seek assistance to carried the gold, have to possibilities to occur.
1. He obtain the gold without exhausting his own energy (to reached destination).
2. There is the risk where the gold will be rob by his assistance.
regds
Indeed true if you use the example of Xin and Bin in the season of Chou. Remember, not all season of Chou is winter. Similarly not all season of Xu is authumn and so on so forth. One need to identify when is Chou a winter season or otherwise an Earth season. Some school deliberately explain that for the first day of winter to the 15 days of winter it constitute matel and from 15 days onward and so on so forth it constitute pure water and others. I do not agree to these postulations. So as you can see determining the trasformation not only must we look at the season, what make up the season is also important. Earth month is always the factor one has to closely investigate because of its nature that earth element exist in all seasons.
Quote: if the branch is 亥(Hai), then i do 'accept' that 壬(Ren)丁(Ding) can transform into wood. QTBD only tells the nature of an element given the conditions of seasons it appear. It gives a certain guideline as to the flavor of each element for which the JiaZi should be read in an imagery manner. In the same case, Ren and Ding combines to transform into wood, supported by the season Zi, winter where water is vibrant and wood is still prosperous (the fact that wood is in the state of hibernation only). Furthermore, there is a root Mao luring such transformation to occur.
Well, it gives all the opportunity to investigate the difference between a seasonal combination versus a structural combination.
Quote: Shen Zi Chen (申子辰) is San He(三合), Hai Zi Chou(亥子丑) is San Hui(三会). In term of strength San hui >San He> Half San He > Liu He
(三会>三合>半三合>六合). That is an interesting postulations. I will keep in mind the Quote from (Qu wei): 地支相合相会
地支相合相会分三会、三合、半三合、六合几种情况。合化力对比：三会>三合>半三合>六合，这是在紧贴有力时，力量对比序，当三合、三会、六合同时出现首论三会，再论三合，其次论半三合，最后是六合
Yes, we usually gauge a reading by doing a reverse engineering matching his life path with the luck cycle.
Quote: Strong Self have enough power to control his wealth. If he have better financial during fire luck year, that means he able to control this wealth. Which also mean he is a strong self. True that fire luck for a strong self he could gain financially. Not true if the wealth does not reveal. What happened if his self is weak? Then one need to have 2 selves to do the job? Again when dealing with the self or a rob wealth, further qualifications will need to be understood.
Welcome to the lybrinth of BaZi...
It's important we distinguish the wood and the forest. One of the observation that I realised, is there are many 'schools' in fengshui.
For the practitioner (as well as the client), whether it is strong or weak really doesn't matter.
I believe you know a particular period is great, putting more human effort and energy into any activities that support that period will give you better 'returns.' Visa versa.
That's why I like to test findings with some historical dates and actual events. This gives us the confirmation.
There is more than 13 million possible permutations. So many many possibilities.
Cheers.
Chris
Ha ha ha...
Chris,
I liked the tree and the forest. I remember someone told me a Jia is a tree, 2 Jia(s) is a forest!
In a structural reading, strong or weak becomes important. Otherwise all the useful gods will be chaotic.
Yes, you are right, ultimately matching the life path becomes important in justifying the rationale of the theory apply. Where consistency is not achived, then we need to re-evaluate the theory at hand.
the 13 mil permutations give beauty to this art...
What do you think?
One more thing Chris,
Do you have his life path that we can share?
Cheers
it not important what is write in a book if you want to discover what elements are bad or good you should look in his life to study some years eg:if he is a strong water 2006 should be a good years
strong fire wood earth
weak metal and water
so metal years should be ba
In ROMANIAN zi month=-17 grades and you think that wood will grow?Think of that:D Thanks
Hi Anonymous...
You do have a great sense of humours. Mind introducing who you are?
You reminded me of a BaZi master who advises his client to put her son over the stove because of the lack of fire in her son's chart. Similarly can be applied in Romania?
BTW, reverse enginnering is always a mechanism to check the accuracy of a reading. However it can also be abused. We always tend to see things we wnat to see. Wouldn't we?
Cheers
Eating God as a star indicates intelligence and it also produces the Wealth element in this chart. He is definitely a smart boy, capable of making strategic intelligent decisions.
This Indirect Wealth fire yin star is also very strong as it is sitting on its own resource star rabbit and probably he will get a seriously chunk of money
Is very hard to tell is weak or strong prehapse you can check his path
Hi all,
Just my wild guess, may be to identify the season of graveyard or bank earthly branch, can look through its nayin element?
Master David, could you give more "hint" on this?
Thank you.
You do not need to use Nayin to justify earth months.
1.I read it as a Strong Day Master.
yang water with yin fire of course combine but not transform because
is not wood in the hidden roots of the Month Pillar.
2.post some special events that happen to him and analyze the year.
Well, this may help:-
His grandfather died in 2000 which is metal years.
2004 2005 were very bad years for him and on 6 april 2005 vas a very bad day for him because he was implicate in a law suit and lost.
2006 was a good year for him.
Could anyone explain why?
In addition, this may be of use:-
He loves to play boxing. 2004- LOOSE ,2005-LOOSE BY TKO,BUT IN 2006 IN OCT.WIN BY K.O-TWICE,2007 AGAIN WIN AND IN 2008 ON 19 APRIL AGAIN WIN.
He study medicine and he wishes to be successful in political life and he think he should win.
He loves his father as he likes him as a great person because he change and improve the live as he is a proffesor of anatomy.He currently complains about his relationship, being single and lonely.
Any reasons why he is in the state as above?
hi David
--DM-------LP-AP(2000)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 庚
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 辰
During 2000, 卯(mao) combine with 戌(Xu) and transform into fire. But 辰(Chen) clash with 戌(Xu), transformation break,卯 (Mao) is attacked ?
--DM-------LP-AP(2004) Ap(2005)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 甲---------乙
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 申---------酉
2005 .庚(geng )乙(yi) combine and transform into metal
2004 申子辰(Shen Zi Chen) turn water. very unfavorable. in the earthly branch water and fire is fighting.
--DM-------LP-AP MP DP
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 乙 庚 庚
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 酉 辰 申
At 2005 April 6,Strong Metal and water unfavorable god appear and damage the fire.
--DM-------LP-AP(2006)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 丙
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 戌
During Geng Xu LP, 2006 (Bing Xu) age 19, Annual Pillar turn into Fire (Stem and Branch). favorable
--DM-------LP-AP(2007)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 丁
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 亥
During Geng Xu LP, 2007 (ding Hai) age 20, Annual Pillar turn into wood (Stem and Branch). favorable
2006, 2007, 2008 winning streak.
--DM-------LP-AP(2008)
丙 癸 壬 丁 己 戊
辰 巳 子 卯 酉 子
Strong water occur a the branch, but there is not fighting between water and fire because of absent of Xu (compare to previous LP). Ji and Wu earth is favorable to counter strong water. thus is a favorable year.
I think he is a Strong DM.
when a Xin come, and a wood earthly branch come, he will lost money.
regds
You'll did a fabulous job of analysing our Romanian friend's chart. As of today, I'm not certain if anyone of us got a single cent out of our rich friend. hahahahah
He gives us his bank account number but we should give him ours, so he can fill it.
Maybe we should ask him to dig more holes in his garden he'll can win more boxing matches. :-)
Hi Chris,
Yup, he send an email to thanks everyone inclusive of your goodself. On another note, he will be sending his picture to note that he is a real person. Unfortunately he does not send money even though my paypal account has been activated for so long.
On another note to ShiXiang, these are the followings info: -
The so called bad dates for him were: -
1. 25oct 2004
2. 10december to 11 december 2004
3. 24 january 2005
The good dates were year 97 & 98 when his father founded the company.
In 96 he was poor because he doesn't have nothing.
2001-2002-2003 good for him because he is capabale to take his medical examination.
Could he still be a strong chart instead?
Can you please check it again if ren & ding can transform to wood as the ren zi (water rooted) pillar, the mth pillar?
Thank you
24 january 2005 still under Jia Shen year, wood Jia is clash by LP Geng. Shen Zi Chen fighting with Mao Xu Fire , consider "not that good".
96 Xin Hai LP, Bing Zi AP. Heaven stem all became water. Xin Bing turn into yin water because trigger by Zi(AP). And clash Ding. In 1996, he might have eyes/head problem.This problem manifest during the Xu Month.
He is only age of 9 during 1996, when there is no wealth, oneself won't "po cai" because there is no "cai" to po.
97 The Ding is save. (Combine but not transform). The reason why the father (Ding) is in better condition this year of LP "might" be because Xin Bing combine and transform into Yang Water (trigger by Hai), thus din't calsh the Ding.
98 he might have some "career/lawsuit" problem. Appear of resource at heaven stem result the DO unfavorable.
2001,2002,2003 - to view study i believe the strong DM have to be viewed based on the output, have no idea why he do well in exam.
now he have wealth. And there is the "cai" to po.
The water branch LP has passed. and the Xin LP has passed. And there is no wood branch LP
The process for the bad luck to manifest is too short, i think he will be "alright".
He "might" have more injury in his left hand and left leg.
Hi Anonymous,
Strictly by one school of thought, the solid water pillar will NOT ALLOW Ren and Ding to transform into wood although it is supported by the month These tendency to combine without transformation is significant as to what we would like to seek from the palaces involved.
Good that you highlighted this point, bravo. That is the spirit of Metaphysics.
Mind telling me your identity in private?
Take care and regards
Hi ShiXiang,
--DM-------LP-AP(2000)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 庚
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 辰
During 2000, 卯(mao) combine with 戌(Xu) and transform into fire. But 辰(Chen) clash with 戌(Xu), transformation break,卯 (Mao) is attacked ?
[D] Mao has a tendency to combine with Xu but not transforming into fire, which is wealth to a Gui self mainly because the season is winter, not supportive and there is a clash into the LP, breaking such transformation. Because it does not transform into his wealth, he did not actually loose money given a weak chart. Such tendency to combine away in the grand parent palace indicates certain element has been remove away with Geng, resource reveal both in the LP and AP. With the clash of the graves of Xu and Chen, whatever comes out may also go into the grave, with conditions. That is metal indicative of the grand father star.
--DM-------LP-AP(2004) Ap(2005)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 甲---------乙
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 申---------酉
2005 .庚(geng )乙(yi) combine and transform into metal
[D] Does the transformation takes place, given the season of Xu? If the Xu is recognise as the season of autumn with the lure at You, and then the transformation may occur. If the chart is weak, metal as resource shall be extremely favourable. However, real life event prove otherwise. Could he be of a strong chart or the LP has not been activated?
2004 申子辰(Shen Zi Chen) turn water. very unfavorable. in the earthly branch water and fire is fighting.
[D] Can Shen Zi Chen transform? I reckon not. There is a resource and output clash, being unfavourable to both charts.
--DM-------LP-AP MP DP
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 乙 庚 庚
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 酉 辰 申
At 2005 April 6,Strong Metal and water unfavourable god appear and damage the fire.
[D] Look at: x庚庚乙
x申辰酉
The day self is Geng born in Chen month resource being in season supported by the branches, so the day is a strong metal favouring water and wood. If he is a strong or weak water chart, then the day useful gods are indifference to him?
--DM-------LP-AP(2006)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 丙
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 戌
During Geng Xu LP, 2006 (Bing Xu) age 19, Annual Pillar turn into Fire (Stem and Branch). Favourable
[D] How would one reckon Geng Bing non directional clash? Whatever clashes are unfavourable unless both are unfavourable elements.
--DM-------LP-AP(2007)
丙 癸 壬 丁 庚 丁
辰 巳 子 卯 戌 亥
During Geng Xu LP, 2007 (ding Hai) age 20, Annual Pillar turn into wood (Stem and Branch). favorable
2006, 2007, 2008 winning streak.
--DM-------LP-AP(2008)
丙 癸 壬 丁 己 戊
辰 巳 子 卯 酉 子
Strong water occur a the branch, but there is not fighting between water and fire because of absent of Xu (compare to previous LP). Ji and Wu earth is favorable to counter strong water. thus is a favorable year.
I think he is a Strong DM.
[D] Surprisingly he could be a strong self. However, there are few more technicalities such as cutting off period that need to be considered.
when a Xin come, and a wood earthly branch come, he will lost money.
[D] For a strong chart, Xin is unfavourable, but what about wood, output?
there are certainly a lot of secret that is not reveal simply into the public through "books"...
maybe david can share what are the message can be decoded from a solid water month pillar, combining the indirect wealth ahead of the self?
If a earthly wood branch arrived, and the Zi is combine with Chou and turn earth, can this Ren Ding transformed?
I choose this chart is WEAK chart:
From the chart he born in season but but HS & EB only 1 support thus its weak...
Now look at the AP & LP from the past year event.
1996, 1997 were in xin hai LP
Resource(metal) reveal in HS thus earth is favourable as earth weaken by metal.
1996 was bing zi, weak self see wealth mean losing wealth, as earth are not reveal in HS. Since its in favour LP, is the time to make it big to following year, thru connection of people.
1997 ding chou, succession in building connection with people to gain wealth.combo hai-zi-chou & transform reveal in father palace(natal chart). weak self see friends mean true wealth.
1998 wu yin, earth reveal/lure on HS, ding become favourabale as earth weaken the fire.Fire reveal as well, output(wood) in control( is good to not lure in HS).fire weaken the wood. can I say this "choy-kun-yan"...oops how many million the father make?
LP geng xu
Resourse lure on HS and support by earth. metal & earth is favourable.
Earth is officer, thus good displine.
From your past even:
2001-2003, capable to take his medical exam, of course as the officer star is good due to resource reveal in LP at HS. Officer star good, follow the rules, obedient & study hard. resource reveal as well he can study too.
2004 & 2005, can u see what star is reveal on AP HS? when output reveal on stem, resourse in LP at HS got conflict.Weak chart don't like to see output worst if lure to HS( in natal chart alr have mao in year pillar).if use unfavourabe fire to control the output, its further weaken the self.Fire is -ve god due to earth not reveal in HS to weaken the fire.
2005 lost money..yi you, yi alr output tat give a sign of negative. How is lawsuit come from, you metal come to trigger zi & mao. What is related & who, the palaces & stars represent of DM's 10 gods. sure you got a clue here.
Okt 2006 fall in metal mth. earth is favourable so does the fire..
the rest u may able to guess unless this list will continue..non stop.
Ah..my identity..will let you know someday...sorry if you feel uneasy.
so he is weak or strong...in the end?
Hi Anonymous(s),
Well, that was an interesting explanation and I am bias to agree with you. Perhaps we may have come from the same school?
Well, just a friendly gesture that I wish to know you and address you as a person rather then anonymous as I believed, we all share the same passion on metaphysics. BTW, I believed we are all here at a goodwill in the spirit of learning this ancient arts.
Guess, I will just have to wait a while longer for an introduction to be made, perhaps over a cup of coffee?
I will stand by my earlier opinion that he is a weak chart. That is just my opinion.
Well take care mr. anonymous and warm wishes.
this guy can`t be weak because
zi is peak
and dragon -feed
yes ok!he is weak but when you speak about yang water because yang water grave in monkey and die in dragon for a person who was born on 7-9 am I think he is strong beacuse are 2 brach who support him zi-peak month hour dragon feed
Hi anonymous (there are just too many anonymous, mind a little introduction?),
That was an interesting postulations using "Chang Sheng"? Would appreciate alot if you could elaborate more.
Cheers and hopeful.
Hi David,
I have a last question
chris chan think that I am a strong water
shi xiang you friend also thing that I am a strong water
you think aboout me that my self is weak ...ok
but I DON`T know how I should believe you or other?
I look in my past 98 99 were wood year since my fother is a erath person born on 18 jjuly 1949 I tell for shure that is a strong one earth person and 98 99 was good for me I was in top-and I learn many things.
2000 was bad years 2001 2002 2003 fire earth years very good for me 23 december 2008 was a gbad day for me when I lokk behin was a water month water year and a metal day
2009 was very good recently my dad give me a house and I have a rent of 2000 dolars per month and I sign a contract with that person on 10 july another very good day for me 12 july 2009 because a pass an very hard exam.Good for me was februay march 2009 because I meet new people If I was weak I thoink this year sholud be bad for me and I can give an example this person was born onm 18 march 1988 and he is weak not strong and he have a very bad year...
So output is very important for me wood 98 99 I START and I start to play to chitar very well so well that in 98 99 when my scholl start in a new year I play to chitar and all of my parents of my colleague aplaude me.
so 98 99 were the best for me.2004 2005 anonymus say outputy bad for me:))) hahah but output is weak because is sitting on metal and 2004-2005 were metal years and if you look in the past another weak person married in 2004 which is METAL year and he is WEAK.
Romania
Hi Romania,
You do not have to believe either of us. What is more important to you right now, is you are the "architect" of your life. You determine what is to come tommorrow. You decide what to do with the current time, NOW. Take whatever bad in the past as a life lesson and whatever good as a small compliments. Whenever there is light, there is shadow. You need to choose which direction to follow. If you seriously want to learn about BaZi, I strongly recommended you to learn from a good teacher. As what had been said by Chris, there are many school of thoughts. I came from the school that put priority over the stem then the branches, therefore our interpretation is slightly different. Saying thus, we seldom disagree with one another. What is more important is that such interpretation does map out your actual life paths. That is good enough. ShiXiang has put in enormous effort in translating the strenght of the chart from chinese to english via his blog. If you read it carefully he has outlined 3 main criterias and 3 sub criterias. Based on these criterias you will find that your chart is a weak chart.
When we say, weak it does not mean absolute weakness. It only make a reference point to read a chart. For there is only 4 pillars in the natal chart. When the 5th pillar comes in as your luck pillar, some positive god may turn negative and vice versa. This gives dynamics to the degree of weaknesses in your chart. So, do not take so rigidly to the way a chart is read, it is not to comply with the German precision. Ultimately, I may agree that as one advances through this art, the strenght of the chart becomes secondary. All that is left is purely the 5 elements in dynamics.
Cheers and take care.
1.so he is strong yang water combine with yin fire but can't transform because there is no wood qi at the month branch.in this example 24 february 1977 yang water combine with yin water and also transform because is win wood qi at the month branch.
2.Closer to his father ding fire is his favourabl god
3.will get marriedf
4.he is and he will be very rich fire is conquer by water so either he is weak or strong fire reprezents his money
ex:10 march 1957 at 5:00 am this personis a weak yin metal person but he had wood in month and hour so he will get money form his parents and child or supporters
4.Suitable to run business (many) fire yin is sitting on wood Eating God as a star indicates intelligence and it also produces the Wealth element in this chart.
5.prehaps you can ask another anonymous at your las post-strong tang fire ANOTHER BRILLIANT BING FIRE. ASK HIM MAYBE HE KNOW
Master Raymond Lo choose this chart at STRONG chart
Ah... Master Raymond Lo is here. A warm welcome!
Would appreciate alot if Master Raymond could give his view, as to how the chart can be read as STRONG.
Many thanks in advance.
Cheers
STRONG because we have two branches that supported day master zi peak and hour feed rgds
Hi,
On behalf of the Romanian, a great thanks for all the commentaries and interest on his chart. This post has top the chart!
Indeed, if the chart wasn't strong, at least I know for sure this topic is still going VERY STRONG!
Keep it up, guys!
strong day master the main factor is he is born in Dec this is the strongest water month
Hi Guest,
Yes... form one perspective.
Cheers
This guy will be very rich probably after 41 if you look 60 years ago you will find a successful bussinessman GEORGES BESSE WHO WAS BORN on 25 december 1927 at 7:50 am again the dragon hour...so he will have power and money but he will die after 56 years
you must look at the mth pillars to see if it allow the successful transormation
there is combin but not transform
this is a SPECIAL CHART!
Well said, one question as to the special of this chart?
ell to read a chart properly first u have to get her UG right
bing
and wu earth!
HE MUST TO HIT THE COLD OF THE WINTER...email raymond lo and he will explain why special:)
this chart is special because it can self transform...guess why???I think his father is very,very rich why you don`t send him an email?
jia is useful for this chart as it help to control water which is flooding in this chart and snake is his nobleman:) believe me...
have a nice day
Chris will email his dad ;-)
btw, we are still waiting for raymonds cmemtary. Anyone emailed him?
Hi Guest of Raymond Lo,
Just receive a respond from the Romanian friend and this is what he has to confirm: -
1) His dad is very rich owning more then a million euro.
2) There seems to be a distance between his dad and him.
Lets investigate, technically a weak chart (I know, he is objecting to this fact!). Ren in the father palace. He is lucky to be a weak water as seeing himself means inheriting wealth. Otherwise, if he is a strong chart, he has nothing to shout about his father's achievements. Let just look at the star again, Ding representing his father, sitting on his father's resources. What do you think about it - is he not wealthy enough? Now, besides him is Ren (also his son), strong stubborn water by its side trying to take in control of the dad. Would that be sentimental? Who is going after who?
This is another way reading an extrapolated chart or some others called it Shifting Palace.
Hi...
what do you underastand :,,extrapolated chart,,shifting palace
he`s father is not ding is bing which is strong rooted in si-his nobleman and he help him to hit the cold of the winter-he`s useful god
the lp can influence the relantionship between father and son...ex clash between you-rabbit-his useful good-rabbit...then the power of indirect wealth will fall
Hi all the Guests,
Thanks for the response. I think this is the most discussed topic in this very blog. Well here are my response: -
Guest - 1, You seems to know him very well and thanks for the "shifting" whatever palace techniques, risking of letting the cat out of the bag.
Guest - 2, These ultrapolated stuff can be divided into inter and outer palaces. Will talk more if you PM me.
Guest - 3, Emmm.... same gender, my friend, how could the father be Bing? In winter the snow insult the sun, how to use as UG?
Guest - 4, True, LP is the dynamic part that will change the scenario around. Remember not all favorable gods are usable.
Cheers
can u ask Master Ng if this chart is strong or weak...
Wish u all the best
ask master NG IF THIS chart is weak or strong in his view and why?:)
Hi David...I am strong water dm,since my father is very rich so I am not...he doesn`t support me,never ask me how do u do George?so my stordy is very sad..I am strong if I was weak should I make money during chen-ren month...so I loose...but I do very well in study...I like to work hard-wood ... so my father-ren don`t support me even moral...so my life is very different for what u write here!
"shifting" whatever palace techniques, risking of letting the cat out of the bag,,
I HAD MONEY IN XU LP...IKN THIS LP I EAT A BIG SHIT!A BIG ONE
GEORGE
Hi George,
Last advice, Get A LIFE...
Kindly refrain from putting up irresponsible commentary in YiBazi. This is not a platform for you to fan your unhappiness. Also, stop scavenging for free BaZi reading or free lesson as I had seen you had your fair share from BaziDiary and Five Arts forum, just to name a few. Go to a master if you are serious to learn. No point harping on the same thing again and again. This is call nuisance.
You will not be hearing from me again and unless you change your mindset. And stop sending me messages via facebook. Unless you have concrete contributions, any future comments from you will be deleted from this blog.
Take care...
ok delete me from this blog when I wanted to pay u told me...u need money more than me?ok no problem deleted me
Hi david...send me an message at z_george2001@yahoo.com I am agree that I am weak dm...u told me in 2009 that I feel some change in 2011...suddenly I HAVE GREAT SUCCES DURING THIS LP!so mean that during 31-41 I will have a perfect life and I will pray to have health after 41 years...wish u all the best!Kiss for u George
I am very,very lucky that I am weak dm...weak dm...in metal lp...means strong relationship...strong health,strong money..thi is my present...sorry that I wasn`t agree with u...I want to speak with u...send me an email
With faithfully,
George
2012 and 2013 should be good for my health?I had psoriazis since 8 august 2010 was the first time at shen hour
jia geng jia geng
shen yin shen yin
I START to recover in 2011 maybe u have right do u think that my health will be ok this and next lp?
Thansk in advance
George
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