Sunday, July 12, 2009

The Fake Follower Chart Of Miss Blue River

Some times ago, Bazi Diary has been informing me that he is doing about 2 – 3 BaZi reading daily when he put up his blog. These are very encouraging as a platform to refine the skill required. Although we came from different school of thought, although not entirely, I am surprised that no matter what method used be it imagery or otherwise, the conclusions are similar and if not, some times, the same. Rarely do we dispute on the techniques and this has proven that the spirit of sharing is of paramount important in this art of metaphysics. Of such, I also take the opportunity to thanks Lwee, Shi Xiang and Mr. Anonymous who contributed unreservedly towards the fruitful discussion on this blog. If one is sharp enough, there are lots of gold nuggets that can be found in these discussions owing to the fact that most of us here did spend a huge fortune to learn these arts, and some contributors were conscious not to reveal too much for fear of going against their own school’s predicaments, which I believed, will dilute by the passage of time. Our ancestors have ways to make the message across. The only humble request, I would greatly appreciate if the anonymous contributors would leave a pseudonym or nickname, so that I can address him/her by a name rather then anonymous, as the one who named is the mother of the myriad things in Dao.


Last week, I received an email of a lady, wish to be known as Blue River, to have her chart read in this blog as an academic exercise rather then a paid reading. These are her request, “… after paying SGD130 for a Zi Wei Dou Shu consultation. I was given certain career -related advice which, if I were to follow it, requires me to switch to a totally different industry. Apparently, the industry I am currently in, i.e. real estate is completely unsuitable for me!


I am looking for a second opinion using Bazi as this is a major life decision. As such, I would like to seek your help to perform an online Bazi analysis for me.


Date of Birth : 30 Nov 69.
Time 17:30.
Born in Singapore.
Female.


…If it's not too much trouble, would you also be able to comment on the marriage aspect? I was told by the ZWDS master that any relationship I start now will end in 2011/2012 even though the person will treat me very well. I forgot to ask him how the result would end, whether the other partner is the one who initiates it or am I the one to do so. Is there any way to tell that from Bazi? The other question is career-related, ie. is real estate industry bad for me and which industry should I be in. Also will I be able to run a business and when is the best time to start one?”.


In summary her requests were: -
Should one advise her to have a career change?
Should one advise her to start a relationship now, if not when?
When is the best time for her to run her own business?


Let’s start the ball rolling, she is a Ji earth person born in winter Hai month, not supported by stems and branches except for a Ji stem protruding at the year pillar. Can she be qualified as a weak chart or a fake follower chart? If she is a fake follower, following wealth, that makes all the elements around her favourable, except for herself. She could well be a of a good pedigree, running on, unfortunately, corrugated roads (luck).


She has a career in real estate, meaning in the industry that earth element prevailed. I supposed her scope of works is estate agent, meaning water elements, which is to her is wealth. Being an estate agent is liked salesmanship, for her case, would preferred output, but was not revealed in her natal chart. Apparently these make her task being challenging. The good thing is she has good authority stars that will weaken her further. It is very easy to jump into conclusion and ask someone to just change industry, but this is not our lives. She is 40 years plus, re learning again is not as easy as control-alternate-delete. I would suggest her to make good use of the remaining luck pillars and make good use of her positive elements. She will be entering her GengChen luck pillar by 2010, which is good leveraging on the output. This may have been good luck to her. Subsequently, starting on her own may also been beneficial.


It will be ideal if there is a wood star in her spouse palace and in this case a metal. For a reason that metal being output for her is favourable, getting a husband is not bad for her, however, his role will greatly needed to be supportive. She should start looking for a good candidate during her better luck cycle of 2010 onwards.


She will put forth her input as requested and I stand to be corrected. What is your view on this as is she really a fake follower or simply just a weak chart?

PostScript: Someone directed me to another blog and I find it quite relevant as it states:

"... Yuan Hai ZiPing Quote: JI enters HAI palace see Yin wood, life will come to an end.

Commentary: JI is most afraid of overloading of water. When the JI is weak meaning not supported by resource, enters as in meeting or can be construed as having HAI in the branches of the natal chart or other LP or AP, it will risk itself of contamination. Then when a Yin wood revealed as a YI stem or rooted by a MAO, then health issue may prevail indicating problems of the reproductive system, stomach or hormones and if not taken cared of may eventually lead to morbidity...", Do one see it in this chart?


31 comments:

Shi Xiang said...

Hi ,

I read this chart as the fake follower chart.

Quote: I was told by the ZWDS master that any relationship I start now will end in 2011/2012 even though the person will treat me very well.

At the year of 2011, It is (Geng Chen LP) (Xin Mao AP). Mao combine with Hai through half San he and transform into wood through trigger by Heaven Stem Yi wood. This transform wood will be attacked by the strong metal in the earthly branch Metal. (Chen combine You) transform into metal as well. "might have injury in physical body as well".

For the Tiger Metal year, (Yin combine with hai) turn wood and attacked by strong metal as well. wood is the DO husband star. seems earthly branch can't be used at all.

In the heaven, Yi wood is transform into metal by Geng (LP). (You Chen transform into metal, prevail metal qi and trigger Geng Yi into metal).

i "guess" 2014 the "yuan" will arrive. As The water will weaken the Metal and birth the wood (DO).

No idea how to advice in career,

regds

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Hi Shi Xiang,

Your response was fast.

Hai Mao combination, in one school of thought, will not transform without the Wei although there is a lure and supported by the season. The Silent Push concept only applied to the cardinal.

The combination of You and Chen does not transform into metal as it is not supported by the season. It only indicates a tendency to combine. The question is You and Chen favourable to her?

The GengYin year, EB wood, her officer has arrived potruded through the Yi stem. Would her officer be combined to form wood? Would wood be also favourable to her?

Would Yi and Geng combine to form metal, given a winter season? If not, what does this tendency to combine indicates?

Interesting feedback. Another try?

Anonymous said...

>> Should one advise her to have a career change?

No, stay in same career.

>>Should one advise her to start a relationship now, if not when?

She should start a relationship now if she still have the opportunity. Do not deny people's chance if having a relationship even if you think it is unfavorable.

>> When is the best time for her to run her own business?

Her career will be successful in the next LP GengChen and suitable to start own business.

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Anonymous,

Thanks, you are right on the spot!

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Hi David,

Thanks very much for posting my request online.

My apologies for misleading you... to be fair to the ZWDS master, what he said was that the real estate industry would be very competitive for me (earth unfavourable element and representing to me friends but also foes, competitors) and it is best, if possibe, for me to switch to industries like banks, financial industries etc. However, when I explained that it is a bit late for me at 40 years of age, he then said it is ok for me to remain in real estate (although it will be tougher compared to the banking/finance industry) until 2014 when I should think of doing business as I will have strong business luck in that 10 year pillar.

On your blog, you commented that as a fake follower, my favourable elements are all elements except self (earth). Does that apply for the fire element as well? I remember reading in Joey Yap's Destiny Code Revealed that if a person is completely missing an element in her chart, it means the Day Master is not accustomed to this element and when this element appears in her luck pillar, an alien or uncomfortable experience may occur. Does this apply too if I were to use fire element colours eg red, pink etc in fengshui. I have favoured black, blue colours all my life. It is only this year that, based on Lillian Too's advice for Roosters, that I started using colours like purple, pink, red etc. Haha, I am not sure if that is contributing to my 'bad luck' this year...:-)

Thanks!

Blue river

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Blue River,

The Fire element which is your resource is your number one enemy in your chart. Whenever it appears, it will break your fake following structure, rendered it very negative as all around you will be unfavourable stars to you.

A missing element in the chart only states that the affinity with that element is absent. In other words, it will be more difficult to use that element. However, a basic chart has only 4 pillars. That means to say only 4 elements will be potruded as the natal chart. Do you consider the missing 5th element as no affinity, even though it may be hidden in the branches?

FengShui is another cup of tea. Read yifengshui.blogspot.com.

Liked I told Chris, your elements will not jump from your chart to another. What usually happens are, the Self element let just say earth will be attracted to water people. Structurally speaking, earth people to the water person is officer. If this water person has a favourable officer in his chart, he would preferred to be associated with the earth person. This is very natural. You can read more in bazidiary.com.

Well, I have no comment on LT's advise on color personification. But that is not BaZi.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Hi David, Chris and Shi Xiang,

Thanks very much for the feedback.

If I remain in real estate, would it better for me to stay in a sales role or move into a 'numbers' role?

Also, what is likely to happen in 2011/12 regarding my relationship? What would be the nature of the breakup? If I know that a relationship is likely to fail, I would prefer to focus on my career instead.

Thank you.

Blue River

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Hi Blue River,

Very often when someone tell you something negative, it will stick on the mind almost forever liked a stigma.

I liked what anonymous said, "She should start a relationship now if she still have the opportunity. Do not deny people's chance if having a relationship even if you think it is unfavorable.". That is the spirit of a Chinese Metaphysicist. We do not wish to play GOD.

However, it is just good to note that when Geng Chen comes in, you will be, what other said, going through a better luck, it also denotes that people that you meet may be more of a noble people or people that is more suitable to match your kind of sentiment.

So, do not worry so much as to what happen when 2011 and 2012 comes in?

For instances, 2011 (XinMao), You may clashed into Mao of, among others, the spouse palace. Because both output and officer are your favourable elements clashing into each other is unfavourable. Here, as indicated are matters pertaining to your action and authority issues and these two areas are things you will need to closely monitor. Give and take is always the best policy and FengShui may also be of some help. However, on a lighter note, the LP will stand in between, when Chen and You will have a tendency to combine. At the end it will turn out to your favour, as favourable output is potruding.

So, not to worry. Follow your destiny, start a business and do what you do best. When the cupid arrived, don't just jump into the bandwagon. Take it slow and naturally. You will meet your mr. right.

Take Care.

Anonymous said...

Hi David,

Thank you for your encouragement.

You are right in that negative words will stick in the mind..:-)

I was told by a friend using Bazi analysis that my partner and I will break up in 2011/12 because the other party will engage in 'immoral or illegal' activities! That is why I wanted to seek a second opinion from you. I fully understand and appreciate your reluctance to play God and to deliver bad news but my character is such that I prefer to know both good and bad so that I can prepare for it. Do you agree with the analysis ' immoral or illegal' issues?

Thanks!

Blue River

Shi Xiang said...

Hi David

[Quote]The combination of You and Chen does not transform into metal as it is not supported by the season. It only indicates a tendency to combine. The question is You and Chen favourable to her?

[Answer]It is the season of Winter, which will "Xie" exhaust the metal. My understanding is it is still can transform into metal as long as the season is not Fire which is "ke"/counter the metal.

You is favorable to her, but Chen is not. But once Chen had turn into Metal, it is favorable.

[Quote]The GengYin year, EB wood, her officer has arrived potruded through the Yi stem. Would her officer be combined to form wood? Would wood be also favourable to her?

[Answer]Yin (tigger) combine with Hai, will turn into wood because trigger by Yi wood in the heaven stem. But this transformed wood will be attacked by the strong Metal of "You". The wood is favorable, but it is not favorable when it is "counter/ "ke" by the pure qi metal, and there is no water that act as "Tong guan" in the earthly branch once the Hai has transform.

[Quote]Would Yi and Geng combine to form metal, given a winter season? If not, what does this tendency to combine indicates?

[Answer]With my understanding Geng Yi will not turn into Metal because the season is not supporting. But if an earthly branch Metal (From LP/AP) arrived, it will prevail the "metal qi" and trigger the transformation. During Geng Chen LP, If Chen You combine and turn into Metal which is trigger by Geng Metal at heaven stem, then the transform Chen Metal will trigger Geng Yi into Metal as well. Yi , which is the Direct Officer, once transform will be disappear.

If Yi had transform into Metal before "Geng Yin" arrive, then now i am not sure whether can the "Tiger and hai" turn into wood because the Yi had already turn into metal first before it can trigger the Hai Yin it semms.

If Geng Yi isn't transform, then the strength will "decrease half", which also mean the favorability/auspicious will decrease half. Once transform, it will being identify as the new transform element.

Yi is at the month pillar, which is at the chest part of the body. If it is not transform, it will have injury probably manifest at the Xin Mao year, but because this yi wood is rooted in the AP Tiger, and Rabbit, thus it is save. But the Tiger and Rabbit is being attacked at the bottom. Earthly branch water if really transform into wood, then the element which act as a "tong guan" is absent. And injury "might" manifest.

As you say, different school of thought, have different transformation theory. Qu Wei have his own theory about the strength of the San He transformation as well, will try to list it out at my Blog , kind busy with my "school" activities lately. I am a weak self, with 2 direct officer and Indirect wealth at the stem. Now is the resource month for me. Behind the glory of experience, there is always certain cost that I have to paid.

regds

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Blue River,

That I reserved to comment.

Tell you a story of myself. During one of the Shen (Monkey) year, I sat for my professional licensing examination. Prior to that, I did a divination and the outcome was I need to sit it twice. Indirectly speaking, I will fail the first time. The real event unfold and guess what, I did sat the exam twice not because I fail the first time, it is because one of the paper leak and we were all called back to resit. Never thought this could happened for a professional bodies. I believed everything can happen in Malaysia.

So, you see, some time we really cannot say the destination is where. It is the Heaven's will. So, just take it as it is. Anyway this is as good as an academic exercise and not really a professional reading.

Be positive and take care.

Cheers

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Shi Xiang,

Wow, that is handful. Will come back to explain when I have the time. Meanwhile, it is just okay that you formulate a certain way of readings from the material you have. Ultimately does that way of reading reflect a real life situation? If not just discard it and move on. There is always light at the end of the tunnel. Well, likewise, there is always a price for everything in life.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Thanks, David, for posting my chart online and for your encouraging words. :-)

All right, I shall take it as it is and hopefully, will have a positive outcome to share in 2012.

Thanks again!

Blue River

Anonymous said...

David,

Can u check back the note, when clash in spouse palace or child palace. Since 2012 is xin mao), its may resulting of output (appear in HS). U know what I mean.

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Huh, did I miss something? Oh dear... can we communicate via my email?

Cheers

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Thanks anonymous, I understand your point on the output.

Cheers

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Hi Shi Xiang,

Please note: -

[Quote]The combination of You and Chen does not transform into metal as it is not supported by the season. It only indicates a tendency to combine. The question is You and Chen favourable to her?

[Answer]It is the season of Winter, which will "Xie" exhaust the metal. My understanding is it is still can transform into metal as long as the season is not Fire which is "ke"/counter the metal.

You is favorable to her, but Chen is not. But once Chen had turn into Metal, it is favorable.

[DY] One school does not advocate that the Xie or weakening of a season allowed such transformation to take place. A weak element cannot give birth to others.

[Quote]The GengYin year, EB wood, her officer has arrived potruded through the Yi stem. Would her officer be combined to form wood? Would wood be also favourable to her?

[Answer]Yin (tigger) combine with Hai, will turn into wood because trigger by Yi wood in the heaven stem. But this transformed wood will be attacked by the strong Metal of "You". The wood is favorable, but it is not favorable when it is "counter/ "ke" by the pure qi metal, and there is no water that act as "Tong guan" in the earthly branch once the Hai has transform.

[DY] We cannot read a chart by just looking at the transformed elements. Here, output has more meanings then just being action. Look at it from a gender point of view and you can understand.

[Quote]Would Yi and Geng combine to form metal, given a winter season? If not, what does this tendency to combine indicates?

[Answer]With my understanding Geng Yi will not turn into Metal because the season is not supporting. But if an earthly branch Metal (From LP/AP) arrived, it will prevail the "metal qi" and trigger the transformation. During Geng Chen LP, If Chen You combine and turn into Metal which is trigger by Geng Metal at heaven stem, then the transform Chen Metal will trigger Geng Yi into Metal as well. Yi , which is the Direct Officer, once transform will be disappear.

If Yi had transform into Metal before "Geng Yin" arrive, then now i am not sure whether can the "Tiger and hai" turn into wood because the Yi had already turn into metal first before it can trigger the Hai Yin it semms.

[DY] One cannot just shift reference of the seasonal strenghts by just adopting the LP and AP with reference to the Natal Chart. There is an order to it. Otherwise you end up having to see transformed elements everywhere and start to get confuse as to what elements clashes in to what element. Then the reading goes hey wired. Always be objective. See the movement. Recognised the conditions. If transform what? If not what? See the reproductive results of such transform element. favourable or unfavourable. To whom, where, how, why and what is the underlying current and the options of probability as in if...

[Answer] If Geng Yi isn't transform, then the strength will "decrease half", which also mean the favorability/auspicious will decrease half. Once transform, it will being identify as the new transform element.

Yi is at the month pillar, which is at the chest part of the body. If it is not transform, it will have injury probably manifest at the Xin Mao year, but because this yi wood is rooted in the AP Tiger, and Rabbit, thus it is save. But the Tiger and Rabbit is being attacked at the bottom. Earthly branch water if really transform into wood, then the element which act as a "tong guan" is absent. And injury "might" manifest.

[DY] See this in the context of the subject. Don't take it as a textbook discription. If you understand favourable output means, you will understand that the Mao You clash as you described as an event to obtain the output and it is very natural for the subject, given the context.

There are alot to be seen from the chart, as highlighted by anonymous.

Take care.

Anonymous said...

Hi David,

Just saw your postscript.

Does it mean that I am at risk for reproductive system, stomach etc problems which may lead to death?

Thanks!

Blue River

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Hi Blue River,

That was, again another perspective provided by another practitioner which I find it relevant from the point of view of Yuan Hai ZiPing from a classical view. No harm to perform a health screening to the prescribed area.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Thanks, David.

I notice that the Hai and Yi wood is in the parents column i.e month pillar. Is it applicable to me alone or my parents as well?

Thanks!

Blue River

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Hi Blue River,

It all depends on what I want to see. If I want to read about you, I will just look at YiHai as both stars in relation to the month pillar as your parental palace. If I want to read about your parent, then I will shift my reference to the month pillar instead and read those stars in relation to yourself instead.

So it is a bit confusing liked reading your parents chart, through your chart instead. Perhaps Lwee can write an article about this some times called, shifting palace, inter/intra palace readings.

Err.. Do I absolutely misinterpreted your question?

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Sorry..I don't really understand about Bazi principles. I guess my main concern is whether my parents are at risk because I was told that next year will be quite bad for them.

Thanks!

Blue River

DAVID YEK TAK WAI (email:yektakwai@hotmail.com) said...

Perhaps, anyone would like to answer the lady's query?

Cheers

Robert said...

Perhaps this topic could help:
http://www.bazichic.com/2009/01/prince-williams-bazi.html
Is that shifting palace?
Regards.

Robert said...

Perhaps this topic could help:
http://www.bazichic.com/2009/01/prince-williams-bazi.html
Is that shifting palace?
Regards.

Robert

yibazi said...

Robert,

A little difficult in following your thoughts. What exactly do you find bazichic's analysis applicable here as shifting palace? Perhaps BaziDiary could help, as I was informed they were from the same school of thoughts.

My take, it was just a normal reading's of the prince life against the luck pillar in a reverse engineering manner. Although her way of reading the luck pillars are different from my perspective. This is not shifting palace, I think.

Cheers

Robert said...

This is what i mean David,

"In Prince William's Bazi Chart, the Spouse Star represents by Wu Earth in Xu Dog sit at the Year Branch. In the Xu Dog contained the Ding Fire and Xin Metal that represent Resource Star and Output Star respectively to this Xu Dog. In addition the Ren Water sits on stem and rooted on Hai Pigs. This denotes wealth to Wife Star. This tells us that the family background of the Wife Star is from a wealthy working class family."

It is when bazichic did analysis on prince spouse star. Isnt that shifting palace? I'm sorry if i were wrong.

By the way, why my post always end up with a double post?

Regards.

Robert said...

This is what i mean David,

"In Prince William's Bazi Chart, the Spouse Star represents by Wu Earth in Xu Dog sit at the Year Branch. In the Xu Dog contained the Ding Fire and Xin Metal that represent Resource Star and Output Star respectively to this Xu Dog. In addition the Ren Water sits on stem and rooted on Hai Pigs. This denotes wealth to Wife Star. This tells us that the family background of the Wife Star is from a wealthy working class family."

It is when bazichic did analysis on prince spouse star. Isnt that shifting palace? I'm sorry if i were wrong.

By the way, why my post always end up with a double post?

Regards.

Yibazi said...

Ah... I see where you are coming from. That is palace and star relationship, in this instances you are reading his spouse chart using his own chart. Then, it is still a kind of shifting palace as well.

Shifting palace, Inter or Intra palaces reading is just a BIG name of reading someone else chart from the chart one is reading. In this instances, we try to read her parent's chart using her own chart.

I really dunno why is there a double posting, whereas appearing in my screen is just normal. could have been a JS Kit 3rd party widgets bugs that need to be calibrated.

Cheers

Robert said...

Hi David,
You said "Shifting palace, Inter or Intra palaces reading is just a BIG name of reading someone else chart from the chart one is reading."
You mean, even BaZi becomes a victim of over-commercialization out there, like Feng Shui? Perhaps by one academy, I've ever seen this shifting palace technique on the brochure...Hahaha...
Regards.

YiBazi said...

Hi Robert,

Have you not read my article in http://www.yifengshui.blogspot.com/2009/08/ideal-personofications-of-my-teacher.html?

Cheers

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